Zoning That Supports Physical Activity

Followed by discussion with Marcia and Jamie Shriek, Shriek, and then Q a. From the audience. We really want a lively discussion. So please use the Q. A function of zoom to ask your questions as they occur to you, I'm gonna pass this along to Dr. Shriek. You're on mute. Can you see my screen right now. See your screen. Oh, there we go. Alright. Thank you very much. Everyone, thanks for that lovely introduction. It's a pleasure to be here today in the Interest of time. I'm just gonna jump right in and rob are any sort of like gave you my punch line. But I I hopefully have a lot more to share with you. Besides the punchline that I already shared, and I just want to acknowledge several of my colleagues who have worked with me on this project and as rob Alluded some of our Funding has come from the Summers for Disease Control and prevention as well as the National institute some Help and this presentation today does not necessarily reflect the official position of the Federal Government. The Nci, the Cdc, or my university, so all of you, obviously being on this call know what zoning is and about your renaissance, and things like that but you may not focus as much on sort of Understanding the intersection if It's got Activity with land Use, transportation and Zoning and So, I just want to give a level to a quick background about why does this all matter, and and maybe that can help bring some things back to your community to make this relevant for you so if you don't know you know half of Americans are physically, inactive, it's, particularly a problem Really sort of in the southern part of the country, and about one and 2. Americans live with a client disease. And we know from research that physical activity physically active adults are less likely to have crime diseases than those who are physically inactive we also saw during the pandemic that people who were physically active were less likely to get severe Covid, and subscribe to that city has lots of benefits beyond just Exercising and heart or heart rates, and things like that we also know that physical inactivity, cost tremendous, amount of money in fact, people being fiscally inactive cost for 100 and 17 billion dollars in annual health Care costs. And there was a new study that just came out yesterday, I. On this particular issue, and I'm happy to share that with Robin marcia he'd be interested in more about that To account for this issue and to counter this issue. The Cdc launched a Nationwide Campaign called Active People, Healthy, Nation with a goal to for 27 million Americans, to become Fiscally, active or more physically, active by 2,027 it wasn't necessarily that all Americans, will meet national physical activity, guidelines, is That everybody does a little bit more than they're doing. Now, so if they're currently physically inactive, but they're doing at least something to get them doing more fiscal activity than they were before and as I mentioned to increase fiscal, Activity, can improve your overall, Health Quality of Life and Reduce Health Care Costs How can Communities. Encourage people to be physically active and there are lots of different ways which Cdc is identified here on the right and the 2 that I'm gonna focus on today, relate to salmon land Juice and transportation or Providing Activity Friendly, Routes to Everyday Destinations And access for people, access to places for people to be physically, active I was part of a Cdc Federal task force since the excuse Me. Comedian Services, Task Force the Community Guide, where we issue the number of Recommendations in 2,016 about the Combination of Land Use and Transportation Interventions in Particular Support, Being, Physically Active and so here on the Left We Identified in there of Transportation related Interventions. as well as a Combination of Land Use and Environmental design Interventions, and having a combination of the 2 in particular has been shown to be effective at Increasing Physical Activity At the same time just last year, the Community Advanced Services Task Force issued a new Recommendation Relate to Parks, Charles and Greenlease, and that having Part Charlie Greenway Infrastructure Improvements Along with Community Engagement Public Awareness, Campaigns Programming in the Community or Ways, to access, increase access to these improvements in particular, are associated with increased fiscal activity, and there are a number of things, to think about with implementation of both these Recommendations. As well as land use, and transportation interventions particularly the one I want to call out for you is thinking about cross-sectoral partnerships and as somebody in public Health I Welcome this Opportunity to speak with all of you and hope that we can serve as a starting point for really improving our dialogue between the Public Health Sector, and the Planning Sectors So that you all know zoom is a key policy lover. That communities have for really, a effectuating change in the built-in it is the primary policy of the art, but at the same time, from our perspective. It's a key, and probably the Primary policy, Lever Strategy, for Codifying those Community Events services, task force recommendations that I know that and so it can be done through a combination of New Urbanist sounding which you all obviously are familiar with as well, as through Traditional Euclidean Zoning and so today, I'll actually be talking about what we find our nationwide study both with regards to new Urban assuming. As well, as more Traditional us In addition to Infrastructure Improvements relates specifically to Land Use Transportation Parks, and Green space. There are other types of strategies, that communities can take that are we often see in zoning codes related to reduced or eliminated parking requirements which can help to preserve open space. Reduce, congestion from like transportation Choices and really provide more room for new Homes, and Dense Walkable Communities that's, our goal is Public health practitioners, is sound more Walkable Communities where people will live work and play, and obviously You're the ones, Responsible for Designing the Communities, and implementing at the land use and transportation strategies and so I think we've Mutually beneficial Goals here in addition, thinking about density, bonuses, and how communities, can be designed in a way, that will Support Openstream Street Scape Improvements, Bicycle Infrastructure and Other Strategies, that we've identified in public health is being particularly effective for improving people's fiscal activity with Us. So way, we do. we have 4 overarching questions for this study. It was really looking at whether over the past Decade Activity Oriented Zoning has increased over time in particular, whether you urbanist or Recovery form zoning is associated with more Activity, Oriented Filming Given the Promise behind you urbanism, is really about creating Pedestrian-friendly communities, we wanted to document that and show in fact, that that's happening, We want to identify what characteristics of the community are associated with more activity, oriented filming, whether or not some of those other provisions, related to the Parking eliminate Parking, re Requirements as well as density, Bonuses how prevalent, they were in communities, so as I Mentioned Earlier, we originally, did a study in 2,010, That was our baseline. Study, that included over 4,000 jurisdictions. The most populous 496 Us. Counties and 4 Consolidated Cities, located in 4,009 States, in DC. That cover, about 6 75% of the population for 2020, follow on we covered about half of that study. So we kept the most populous. 200 us counties, from the 2,000 and 10 Sample, and 2,298, I mean. It's probably some unusual areas from the original study located in 41 States in DC. Which cover about 55% of the Us population. So our focus today is gonna be on this panel of over nearly 2,300, jurisdictions just to give you, a sense, of what our panel looks like in terms of characteristics, they're probably about medium size. jurisdictions on average, although they range from very small jurisdictions within the Counties to the Largest of the large municipalities about One-third of the Jurisdictions have last been 11,000, people So we do have really good Representation in Terms of Size of their jurisdictions in terms of small medium on large in terms of comparison to national averages relative to poverty and Meeting Age We're pretty comparable same with the percentage, of Housing, units, that are Occupied with no Vehicle, I didn't have the national data on land area, do a reality. But we have a World war, group in patron and so I wanted to show that an average about 4% of the jurisdiction lands area is from rural areas, but it ranges from 0% within our 2,300 jurisdictions and our Jurisdictions are relatively equally divided in terms of Measures of Racialized Economic Segregation from being more distant to Being relatively Advantage and We're Fairly evenly distributed across Regions We Compile Selling Costs for all the Jurisdictions primarily through. In this full code publishers, although in some jurisdictions, we had to follow up directly with the jurisdiction, we ended up getting about 81% of our codes in 2020 from the online publishers about two-thirds of them in 2,000, and 10 and the rest of them were attained from Individual Jurisdictions directly With some follow up as we've been, and if you're one of the jurisdictions we had to follow up with directly responded thank you. We have a number of our planners over the years. I have like an army of them in my 2,010 study, but we had a really good strong team, of urban planners that help to analyze all the data and so I'm not gonna go into all the details about how we did it. But I just wanted to. Show you this is a paper version of our electronic Audit tool for evaluating. The Zoning codes, but we had a number about 15 markers, related to fiscal activity, that we evaluated based on the type of Zoning, that they had so recovery form zoning or code Reform Jurisdictions such as Pods, or Twods we Coded them separately from Traditional Euklenian, Types of Districts and Zones, and We Coded for every Single District, or Zone where We found A Marker, Related to Sidewalks, Crossbox, Bike Pack Connectivity, Street, Connectivity, Bike Lanes, by Working Etc So what do we find cover reform zoning, As you would imagine has increased significantly over time. So in our I, 2,298 jurisdictions, that we follow from 2010, to 2020, we saw as significant increase I you know, by 8 percentage points or excuse me 9 percentage points in Covid form summing, and then Tod is only informed these codes. that was somewhat lower, but it was still an increase. Now I just want to remind you. This is just for our nearly 2,300, jurisdictions. This is not for all jurisdictions in the us but this is for our 23 jurisdictions. This is what the distribution of COVID-19 looks like as well, as Tot. So many inform based cuts in general In our 200 counties, for our 2,200, and 90. Look at communities, were located. we looked at the Distribution of Cover, Form zoming on across the Us. And, as you can see. You know, as we know smart code, for example, started in Florida and diffused over time and we saw those has spots grow stronger particularly in Florida and California over time but there were additional Hotspots that developed particularly in the Northeast in the Midwlantic and Other Pockets of the Country, on that we had not seen in 2,000, and 10, and again, this is just a map of the 2,200, and 98, Jurisdictions, in the most Populous, 200, counties, that we Studied for this Project as I mentioned our second question, want to look at whether or not I activity, supported built environment, features, addressed in so many codes, also in over time, regardless of whether it was in cov, reform some it's only or not and as you can see across the Board we saw an increase in Office, got typically related Markers and it was a Significant increase across the Board which was quite Encouraging Extend, our initial study only about you know, one in 10 or a little more than one in 10 jurisdictions. We studied had provisions for pipelines, and there's only code, and that's now over a quarter of them. And we saw Concomitant Increases, across the Board, with all the different measures that we have evidence for our associated with fiscal activity. When we looked at whether or not this provisions are more prevalent in Covid form, which is of course what you will expect. Given co Reform Zone is designed to create more Pedestrian Friendly communities. We did see that across the Board, and so we saw in many cases that co reform Zone was associated with almost more than double the Provisions then in Jurisdictions that were not in covered form communities When we led to this additional Office got to be supportive infrastructure Improvements, we also saw that Covid form Selling was associated with more of these provisions, so providing provisions, for public transit access. More than double recovery form versus non-comprehensions provisions for pedestrian plasma in the Zoning Code again, almost Double and those Reducer Eliminated Parking Requirements, again, almost Double and Covered Form, Versus Non-covered Phone jurisdiction. We also looked at the extent to which selling Provisions provide operations for Density, bonuses for developers to develop open and green space Pedestrian Magazine Streetscape Improvements, and Other Bicycle Amenities, again, Across the Board We saw code reform was more likely to offer these provisions or include these provisions, I should say, or allow for them in their zoning codes In terms of factors associated with more activity, worried sewing, as you would imagine we tend to see it more commonly, in larger jurisdictions, those in the South, because as you saw in this Max that's, obviously where code, rate, one started and what we started to seamless with this activity, and households are more likely to not have a vehicle because obviously they need to take advantage of public transit and things like that and she might recall from the characteristics I showed you about the communities one of the measures, we looked at was a measure of racialized economic Segregation, which includes a Combination of Income medium, Household income, and majority, race in the community, and so if we look at the most segregated versus the Leis, segregated we tend to see that the most Segregated Jurisdictions, are less. Likely to have in their zone code provisions for bike connectivity, for bike and Ped trails for next use, development, 3, things that have been shown in particular to be particularly associated with physical activity in the communities so where can you go from here, marsha and I were talking about sort of you know what would be most beneficial for you and I want to share with you some thoughts that we have both as I meet personally as well, as a field, about what you can do in next steps. That you can take in your communities. So first, there's obviously clear opportunities here for the planning community through where the Planning Agency partnering with Part Public Health Agencies and transportation, Agencies, public Health and Scholars or Researchers, like myself, when You're Considering Revising Your family, codes, to make access to the orientation of priority for reselling or news only efforts for even overlays, that you're considering and that community if You're an Advocate or working with advocates you know really working across Sectors, to advocate for more Fiscal Activity, Oriented or Pedestrian, Friendly Selling Provisions and in Particular Working to Advocate Funding to support Implementation That's the Biggest Challenge Right give me something, on the books is Great but if We all have the Resources for the Champions, to Support Implementation, It's. not going to happen So as i, alluded at the beginning of the Presentation. There are many benefits to this physical activity, the next second slides is from the international society for Fiscal Activity. And health. They have a great series of resources on 8 investments. Communities can take to support physical activity. that will have more, Co. Benefits. And so this Co. Benefits include health, economic benefits, social benefits. And environmental, benefits, and so how do you make the case for that investing in Pascal Activity, Oriented infrastructure matters, you can talk about benefits for children, benefits for adults and benefits for healthy aging so depending on the demographic Characteristics, of Your community, there are different benefits, that will be relevant. So for example, if you have a community that has lots of young children in if this got should be reduces the risk of depression it improve his phone, half, the most favorable body composition improves attention and some Measures, of Academic Performance, particularly when in Conjunction, with School-based, Physical Activity. If you have a community that's heavily an agent of the population alter adults, you know, I having more faculty supportive environments helps to improve sleep reduce recipe, Falls, Extend Years of Active Life on Delays on set of Copyright in Addition there are tremendous mind economic benefits to communities at the outside, the presentation I talked about how fiscal inactivity costs over 100, and 17 billion dollars a year in healthcare Costs, that's Tremendous That's a Tremendous Economic Impact on our Communities, so there are data that show in investing in fiscal activity, supportive communities can help to increase levels of retail economic activity, preaching to the choir with all of you, and Seeing, you, but do you know this you know that's what covid forms do they create places where people want to live work and play right so investing in that can help to not only have Co- benefits with this activity, but obviously the economic benefits that you all spouse along with property value increases neighborhood reading viableization and reduced health care costs and the workforce people take fewer sixties, if They're Physically Active and having more walkable communities to pay more safe places for people to be physically active. So I mentioned ispad and I'll be happy to share this link with marcia and rob after that they can send out to you. But this is a great resource about 8 investments, and it talks about the evidence that I just briefly described, that you can use to advocate for and form and lead discussions in your community relative to these infrastructure, investments and at the crocks, of those 8 investments, is that there's no One, investment alone, that will shift the need on physical inactivity. It's a combination of investments, and so taking a systems based Approach of Working with public Health, working with transportation is going to be credit call and so, 2 of the investments. They identify much like, the Cdc strategies that I talked about the big, beginning, the presentation relates specifically to active travel, and active urban Design and so I'm add to Traffic, you know supporting transport, policies. Inducing More, demand for public transit, use, and add to travel. And there are multiple Co. Benefits for sustainable development. Goals, we're all thinking about sustainability and issues. Related to that. And so this resource really goes into detail on the evidence for these things that might help you with your discussion in your communities, likewise active Urban design helps to create you know engaging in dialogue to create more Supportive and equitable policies, and amenities. That create places for people and makes the Committee more appealing I'm preaching to the fire with all of you. So where are we going with all this? Why Marxist questions to me was, Have we linked to our data, to Health Outcomes, so I Have some preliminary data that I Didn't have time to share with you today, that we did just with our 2,000, and 10 data I can tell you from That data alone, just in cross-ssectional associations. We saw that having more physical activity, Oriented Zoning, or even co reform zoning is associated with people being more fiscally active, and less likely to be physically enacted, we also saw that Rates, of Cancer in these Communities, is Less less prevalent in Jurisdictions, that also have more dense infrastructure, and it create more walkable connected networks. We also found in those prior analyses, that during a work data use in the American Community Survey data people are more likely to report walking and biking to work in jars that had code reform zoning as well as more Activity Oriented Tony, in general for the Linked analysis now we're actually gonna look, launch, truly and look at cross-sectional changes in Cisco activity meetings, and Sanitary behavior, as well, as Pedestrian Fatalities, in Jurisdictions, that have changed over time to being our Morphisical Activity Supported with their Zoning and whether or not we've seen changes in jurisdictions, that had these only provisions on the books in 2,000, and 10 and still haven't 2020 hopefully There's been some Implementation, that We can look at to see the relationship with these Health Outcomes, and then we're going to be doing some quality of work, and I may be reaching out to some of you, to look at strategies that the Public Health sector can take to support implementation of these elling codes in their communities and really Engaging with how public Health Sector can Work with planning is Only in transportation agencies to really support, not just the adoption of these policies, but really support implementation, and evaluation efforts so if you're interested in learning more about the Physical Activity policy research and Evaluation Network We're a Network Open to All We have about 800 members multi-sectoral, we have planners. We have transportation engineers, we have government agency, people, we have public health practitioners, you name, it they're part of it it's free to join all of our webinars, and green mountains, are free resources, are all free we would love to have you engage with us, so with that I'm going To stop sharing my screen. And I think Marsha and I are gonna engage in on some dialogue Thank you, Jamie, that's such a great presentation. Thank you for sharing the results of your research. I think it's particularly powerful to have what I would consider kind of a non traditional partner in planning with public health it's. Not something that you know we need talk, about cross, disciplinary work with start planning making, sure that different kinds of perspectives are taking a consideration. So what todd a little bit more about how we can involve our our public health, or local public health representatives, in the planning what do we actually do, we approach them do we check with the the jurisdiction, about what you know relationship already exists, to pull them, into that conversation, or do. We just pull them in cold Thanks very much for the question, and it's probably one of the most important questions. I think you would ask me today. So I'm really glad you did ask it first of all, If you are at all involved or engaged with an urban planning school and your school is part of a university that has a public health school as well, first place to start would be to establish joint degree, programs, we have one here we have a great urban planning program at uic university illinois chicago. As many of you may know. We also have a great public hospital that I helped to lead. And so having, joint degree programs is a great first place to start, so that people are being trained in both public Health and urban planning and start to classize right so that's like a a first place, to start in terms of your bigger question. Though about for the practice yours on the call. There are a couple of places to start one, is yes, ask the right questions about you know. Are you already engaging with people in the public health department in our community? If yes, how set what are you talking about? Is it just about complete streets? How can we leverage the complete streets discussion into a broader discussion about zooning? Right most communities reevaluate their selling code. What you know once, every decade, 2 decades, whatever there's also the opportunity to engage them in all the planning efforts, the Master and Comprehensive planning efforts that go along across the Country, and so doing, Engaging Public Health and those Planning Discussions, be a great way to pull them In, to, start, to dialogue, about you know the pro co benefits. Oh, Planning and Zoning and Land Use and Transportation, with Public Health and Vice Versa, the Public Health People we do research on this on a daily basis so we know that evidence about how all the incredible work that you all on this call are doing helps to make people more physically active helps to Reduce, Health Care Costs how to improve Economic development. We have that data we have that evidence. And so we can help you in making the case. For why this, work is needed, or on implementation. The next part is on the call calling I Guarantee. You if a planner reaches out to me as a public health practitioner, and said, Hey, We want to work on unaccountable Chicago because Chicago is a unique Fee rate, and that our planners, are talking to public Health here, to some Extent but let's, Use A small community, in the middle of the country, that maybe hasn't been engaged in any of this. You know the Public Health Department is always looking for allies. We don't have the same resources as planning and transportation have we don't get Federal Highway funds, to support transportation projects that can be used to build new streets, and new Infrastructure for Sidewalks, but we can sure tell you you know we can do Health Equity, assessments and health Impact assessments to really tell you where are the areas of need in the community, where do we, see the least Amount of Fiscal activity, where do we See the Highest Health Care, costs, where do we see the Highest Rates of Falls, or Crashes or Whatever that maybe could help you with prioritizing your projects for implementation. So there are a lot of places you can start and call call me is not a bad thing. As well, as as long, as you sort of explain it that I actually want to talk with you about, how can we help each other? Right? How can we help each other engage in that dialogue and the last place I'll mention is the American planning Association. Has a whole summer for Community Health Planning, my friends, talk our shot on the head side, Up he's actually on our external advisory Board for the Fiscal Activity Policies, Research, and Evaluation Network and He like I and Very Engaged with the San Francisco Disease Control and Prevention on developing resources, he Develops resource public health, community, about how they can, you know, engage in this process and he'd be a great partner for you to reach out to and say hey? I want to engage with public health. Can you help me make those connections, and I'm happy to do the same. That's great information. Thank you for that. He's mentioned a little bit about the Health Impact Assessment. I don't know that very many of us are are familiar with what that is it's it's something just like the environmental impact assessment. The Eis, so talk a little bit more about H. Ias? And how we can use that planning Yeah, so, HIV is very similar to Eis, right? so His are really looking at sort of the benefits health related Co. Benefits of of a policy, decision, or planning effort. It's no different than what you would do with an eia looking at the environmental impacts, and so You know, I've been part of several His over the years on Different Policy, Issues. I'm a policy researcher, I training and I sort of fell into this whole urban planning research, space I a Number of Years Ago and It's Probably my by far my Favorite area of Research, that I, do on my find the most the Audio in it and so HIV is I actually have one My doctor stays, Teaching and HIV. Course for Urban Planning students specifically, so they can start to think about. You know what are the health impacts, of adding a new transportation line, or a tod or creating a pedestrian oriented development? What are the health impacts of that not only that, but what we're going to be the concomitant, economic impacts, and benefits for the community, and so you know, public Health Researchers, can help you with Pulling, in the data that you need or helping you design this, hia, and that can be A partner, working together on these things, and they may be able leverage resources to help conduct the Hia to complement your own efforts, that you're doing with your planning and other efforts. Right. I think you know, we're having access to resources that planners don't normally have access to and and really are only accessed by Public Health Officials in the Cdc are there has there been any work with Public Health Officials Working with some of the Grants that are Available with the Department of Transportation, they you know we do have our our dot secretary, here, Budget, put a jackpot, actively, advocating for the Safe streets and Roads for all program, now the application for you had ended I think in September so it's not something that we can promote that you take advantage of or anyone. Take advantage of now, but something to keep an eye on, and something that you think that kind of It's a perfect example. It hits. Yeah, I think it it it just really points to the fact that it is being more seriously considered, that safety and health is very much interconnected with planning, and whether or not there are you know you can you can put all the kind of you know gyms and parks, available that if you can't reach them easily. And you're just going it from your car, then it's it's not really that helpful. So to be able to have programs available where the centers that developers or Plans can have access to to to leverage that planning Civil, absolutely so one of my early slides was on active people, healthy Nation, and Cdc. Has a partner group, for Active People, Healthy Nation that includes not just myself. But also Representatives from America Walks from the League of American Bicyclists, Plenty Organizations, Transportation Agency, Ymc. Hey, birds, to school. You name it and and so we there's about 20 something of us, on this group, and we are always discussing these issues, and how to leverage each other, we actually hosted and paired a Federal panel, about a year ago, specifically, to talk, about this Cross-sectoral. Dialogue, and how transportation, researchers and advocates could engage in studying these issues, and helping to fund on these projects, and so your Spot, on Marsha, We're Continuing to have these Dialogues with. with Hub How's, your Urban Development, and actually I did a webinar for each fhwa, a couple of months. Back, on complete streets, and Sort of Public Health and Complete Streets, and Public Health, Engagement and Complete Streets, Policy Maintenance, You're Probably, about I Don't know Over 500 People on That Webinar, All there for the Same Reason, as all of you are on today, about you know, how can we Really work together, to leverage our limited resources that we all have and you know, each of us brings different things to the table, so the extent to the extent that you have these funding opportunities, and your You know, might want to bring in public health i researchers at universities or public health agencies in your community, in on those grants, so that you can work together on implementation and developing new projects, that will probably be the ideal scenario and we'll, where we want to do the seat we Don't get the money to build infrastructure. You get the money to build infrastructure, we get the money to make the case, for how that infrastructure, works or why it works, we get the money to help you show the positive benefits, that it's having on health outcomes you know one of the things I often find when I do my talks around The country, on these issues is, you know. I I did a series actually of key format interviews with jurisdictions that Implemented Co Reform Zoning. This was a couple of years ago, and I'm happy to share that report with you. It was really about lessons, learned and in Implementing and one of the things that I always ask them was so do you measure sort of the Extent to which you know, pedestrian Usage has increased no like we Don't even know where to start with doing that how do we even do that, and I'm like, we can help you. Right. Right. That's what we do in public health, and so I think it could be a marriage may happen I agree and it. It's just such a logical, to my partnership, if you have access to these kinds of funds. And we've got access to these kinds of funds, and you know yeah. And data we we use data all time big data to study these issues. And so it's sort of a natural starting point for us Right, and if you can also elaborate on the types of Jurisdictions that were part of your study, is there a list of them? Do you have access to them, and then you know you also mentioned as a follow up to your research. That you're going to. Then take a look at jurisdictions, and and try to measure actual health outcomes. How what's the timeline? On that? I think we're all kind of like waiting with faded bread Well, I have I have all my preliminary studies. That I did that have been published and I have 6 papers that I can send to you all to share with this group and those were the ones, linking to a sedentary behavior. Activity active Route to Active travel to Work and we have a tod, one in particular, where we looked at Jurisdictions that Hit Tods we Sign, an Increase Use of Active Tropical Work Walking Back into Work, in public Transit, Use and we had the Cancer, paper, so those are all published. I can share those, the Qualitative Implementation study that I did. I can share that resource with you as well, the Launch 2 Mail setting that I'm working on now, So bear with me because my time point, for my second Round To zoning data is 2020 what happened in 2,020, the the Pandemic. So my outcome data is all delay, because I haven't gotten access to it and We're gonna sort of have to sort of see what that data even looks like, because depending on the jurisdiction. They lived in people may or may not have been even allowed to be outside being physically active, right, so so you just have to bear with me, like the Junior Work Data for 22 i'm not Sure how much we're Going to be able to Make of it at Least for the First half of the year with what was going on with people still working from home. So we may need to weigh a couple of years. For the true linked data for the Multi year link, but the preliminary link data I will I can send all that rave away I Don't have a public Listing of all my Jurisdictions but I am going to be Making all the data publicly available, eventually we're just not there yet, but if there are any researchers on the call that are interested in collaborating with me on Linked Analyses I'd be more than happy, to do that for restricted use agreements and collaborating with you on that and in terms of the nature of the Communities, so it's the it's pretty much every jurisdiction, every Minuteality, Township Village Incorporated, Jurisdiction in the most Populous 200 Us Counties, and all i'm at all Unincorporated county areas. So the only one, We did not include in those 200 counties, were the smallest of the small jurisdictions that accounted for less than one half of one of the jurisdiction of the county population so we just had to stop somewhere because resources and that was our only cut off. So we lost very few jurisdictions. So those 2,300 approximately jurisdictions that I have are nearly all the jurisdictions in those post populist 200 us, counties. Okay. Great. I think we're all looking forward to the next step in your research, and we do have a few questions. That I want to bring to your Attention and I knew that the Health Impact Assessment Buzzword, Would Kind of get Ears Peaked, so do you know of any programs or or of any Projects I Should say that have used in Hia, as Part of their Planning, Process Yeah, so, let me get back to you on that marsha, if that's okay, As I mentioned my doctoral, student teaches a course specifically on HIV for our planning students, and it's specifically fored on that exact question, And so she probably has some good examples, that I don't have readily available at the moment but I'd be more than happy to send you. Some links along with the other Resource Suga send that you can share with this group, and in fact, she actually usually has them work on a Project with a community who's interested in having a HIV. Oh! Wow! Done so. If you're a community, and you want for a urban planning public health joint class to maybe work on a semester long H. I for you let me know she can put you in the queue, and maybe she probably already she just completed. I think this semester but I know she's wait for spring. She probably has them identified. But maybe for next spring she might be able to take you up on it and give you a free h. I, for your community. I think they'd be very interested in that. And if There's any information about you know how to use an H. I I think that's what's one of the questions from got it So Rob, I just want to tell you, I'm gonna send you all the links to include that one there isn't quite the links that I was showing. So if you might just hold off I'll send all the links after today's session. If you want to send them out that way you'll have everything one package Very helpful, we have another question from Terry, Schweitzer who says that our Mpo is embarking on the development of a new metropolitan transportation, plan, and they have Recruited a representative from the local Health department, to take part Let's see how about what Great question. Baby, advice, you would pass along to this individual to promote the Public Health Perspective Terry, I'm gonna send one more resource for you. Or if you wanna rob put my email in the chat, people feel free to email me afterwards, and I can send them as well, I also did a primer for public health practitioners about working with plenty, and zoning officials, and to help them, understand the planning sign language and opportunities for engagement, and where do you have common dialogue, and so that sort of 101 for public health would probably be a great place to refer them to Apa's, done, some as well but i've heard really great feedback, on the one we put together, we did this for Cdc. 2 share with their State Recipients, for Campus activity, issues for working on at Activity Flying Ring Routes to Everyday destination, I also have a great consultant for you who you Might want to engage with Rooms, as a Technical Assistance, Provider for Cdc. For all their recipients, for Canada, to be friendly, routes to everyday destinations, because his name is Mark Fenton, he is an urban planner, and is really he's a public health urban Planner, and so he Engages, really well with both sectors, and really helps make those connections, and so it'd be another great resource for you and I saw Marcia shaking your head, so you probably know mark I know you're in the northeast. So you probably definitely know mark Yeah, mark is from the New England area originally and he did this really great Pbs, Program, I think it's America walks. I I might be getting that wrong, but he's really wonderful he's I think he he's trained in engineering by trade or maybe like Aerodynamic Engineering nothing related really to help but his Campaign, for for several years now, has been that walking is so important, and it Can't. be done. Without the proper infrastructure in place and we all have access to treadmill. But it's just really not the same. That kind of emotional and physical wellbeing that comes with getting outside and walking. So I don't see any other questions. There had. Some really great ones already, answered. But is there anything else. Jamie, you want to share with everyone as kind of Parting No I just I I really appreciate this opportunity I'm Excited. I'm always excited to talk with other people, from other sectors, and in this particular case I feel like as I said, I feel like we're a marriage meeting Kevin I would welcome the opportunity to collaborate with anyone on this call feel free to Reach out Rob put my email address in the Chat there and right after we hang up. I will send all those resources. That I promise. So I don't forget about them, and feel free to share them. Post them. Whatever you want to do, that Thank you, jamie, and thank you, Marsha really appreciate you coming on and the the video will be posted on cnn.org in probably within 24 h, and there also will be a piece on public square that will have the video embedded in it and this has Been a really interesting discussion Thanks, everyone. Thanks, Bob, thank you, Jamie Have, a good.